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Apple hasn't competed as aggressively with their displays.

Dell's displays are very good and 50-70% the price of Apple.

Dell's come with more features too, including multiple inputs, card readers, and picture in picture.

Apple could really use the competition.

What Mac Stuff We Like to Buy From Dell - Wait a Minute, Dell!?

Isn't Dell supposed to be Apple's new nemesis? Are we being traitors to Apple's cause? There's a dirty little secret out there among Mac owners: We buy Dell monitors.

Who hasn't walked into an Apple store and proclaimed how they would buy that 30" display if only you could afford it? They are glorious. Look at all that space! But at $1800 plus tax, that adds up to $1940 around here. Not the type of money I walk around with.

And of course the more sensible of us look to the Apple 23" and think that might be a good compromise. But still, it's $900 plus tax.

This points out the key reason to look to Dell: price. Their 30" goes for $1275 and their 24" goes for $569. And this is without the random Dell discounts that come and go like stray dogs. That's not to mention the 20" going for less than half the price of a 20" Apple display.

But is that it? Of course the Apple displays are the best, right? So are you paying for an inferior product? Not really. From the CNET review of the 2407WFP:

"Dell's 24-inch wide-screen LCD delivers excellent image quality and a ton of connectivity options, including video inputs and picture-in-picture settings. Add in a great price, and the Dell UltraSharp 2407WFP is the best value in its class."


Wait, what was that about connectivity options and video input? More from CNET

"Inputs include one upstream and two downstream USB 2.0 ports, DVI-D and VGA (analog) signal inputs, a 12-volt audio jack for connecting an optional Dell Sound Bar speaker, plus composite, component, and S-Video ports for connecting a VCR or DVD player. Along the left side of the monitor are two more USB 2.0 ports, and a 9-in-2 media card reader."


And wait a sec, let's back up. They have card readers and tv inputs? Plus they can do picture in picture and rotate the display? USB hub too? Lots of features that Apple could do well to emulate.

Well, what about the picture? There's an interesting sporadic conversation going on over at Macintouch on Dell monitors. Many people report that the screens are bright, some say too bright. But most people when shown a dim display next to a bright one will prefer the brighter one. The colors might not be as true, so if your work depends on super accurate color display, you may want to move along.

So what does this mean? I'm so confused.
I can tell you that I use a 20" Apple and a 24" Dell right next to each other hooked up to the same PowerMac and I prefer the Dell. Plus I am stoked to have a card reader built in for my digital camera.

In the bigger picture, I'm happy to have Mac users buy Dell displays to put market pressure on Apple to lower their prices and improve their products. These displays haven't been upgraded in too long. And with Apple canceling the FireWire iSight, Mac Pro and Mac Mini users are left without built in video iChats until Apple releases the next displays with (hopefully) built in iSights. Bad for them but good for me because I sold my iSight on eBay for above cost.

So am I a turncoat? Does the idea that you can get a 30" AND a 24" Dell display for the price of Apple's 30" display get you thinking? Know other products that are good buys from Dell (not PCs, smart aleck). Let us know in the Comments section below.


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Your Comments:

Also note that the Dell 24" and 30" are much higher quality models and they are not the same screen. First off to the person who said they are samsung panels, that is incorrect as they are Phillips IPS panels. Secondly Apple uses RevA of this panel, while Dell is currently using RevC, which is why Apple only has a 76% color gamut and Dell has 92%.


 joe
 10/14/2007  at  05:10 PM

Took maybe 10-15 mins for me to configure a dell monitor on my mac. They run really bright so you have to turn that down. Other wise looks the same as a apple monitor to me.


 Skoalbandit
 10/14/2007  at  05:20 PM

I love my Macs, but their monitors are way too expensive and lacking on features.


 Ed
 10/14/2007  at  05:27 PM

Yeah, but... why would you buy Dell instead of ViewSonic, or Samsung, or any of the myriad other options you can still get better and cheaper from Amazon, NewEgg, etc.


 jfatz
 10/14/2007  at  05:57 PM

@MB-switcher

No one cares about about your failed HD. This article is about monitors. No one is disputing that some of the components dell uses are of questionable quality. I'll let you in on a little tho: mac uses Western Digital HDs, so does dell (depending on configuration). I doubt WD shipped all their "good" HDs to apple and the rest to dell. You may have not had failed HD with your mac, but that just means you got lucky.

Anyways, since this article is about dell monitors, and that's what we should be talking about, the customer satisfaction for Dell monitors is very good. Especially with the most up to date panels in the latest 24-inch. You can look up the ratings if you need proof. The price to performance ratio of dell monitors is unmatched, even by precious apple. You lose this round.


 marm0lade
 10/14/2007  at  06:29 PM

One more thing about Dell LCDs, the ones that can compete with Cinema Displays, they also have good ergonomics, tilt, up down, side to side and pivot (turn monitors vertically), hope Apple will at least have pivot in the future, at least for the smaller sized ones (24in below), because pivot is totally awesome.


 nono
 10/14/2007  at  06:31 PM

I'm a Mac user here with the Dell 2407WFP... its an excellent monitor in every way. I also purchased a Lumix FZ30 camera from Dell a few years ago. At the time dealnews.com listed Dell as the cheapest and the camera is identical to what I could get at the local Fry's for $100 more. I see nothing wrong with buying from Dell if they are cheaper and the quality is the same. With the monitor I would say that the Apple 23" seems more durable than the Dell, ie metal vs plastic, but who cares? I will just get another 24" in a few years and it will only cost $100 from Dell by then. I'd like a built-in camera, but I bet that the Dell monitor I get in a few years will have a camera that works just fine with a Mac by then. Apple doesn't have to compete on price with their computers due to the OS, but they do on everything else!


 Laurence
 10/14/2007  at  06:34 PM

Yeah, I second what Paul says. They both use the same exact internal components. I believe they are Philips though, not Samsung.

We mentioned it already a few times, but the Apple Cinema 20” and Dell 2005FPW revolve around the same LG.Philips LCD LM201W01 panel. Boasting a 7ms Tr and 9ms Tf response time with 12ms gray-to-gray average response times, the LM201W01 is definitely a quick panel when compared to PVA and MVA displays.


From an Anandtech article where they dismantled a 20'' Apple Cinema, and a 20'' Dell display. These are older monitors, from a year or two ago, but here is the article. http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=2400&p=5

I have a newer dell display at work hooked up to my macbook pro and love it. I used to have dual 23'' cinemas and... honestly, there is no differnce. I've never been ashamed to own the Dell displays, they are beautiful and so much cheaper!


 Michael
 10/14/2007  at  07:13 PM

It does make sense to take advantage of the present huge discrepancy in prices, but it has more to do with the way each company handles price cycles - Apple is almost always the cheapest when they bring out a new large model (eg the 30 inch), but is much slower to adjust prices down - and why would they when they are still selling in large volume.
The quality of Apple's monitors is legendary - and it's more than the panel, it's also the hardware driving it. I have a Dell 24 inch, which is brilliant for the price, but it's only 95% in terms of color fidelity - fine for how I use it. The case design is a bit on the clunky side too - better than Dells of old, but not in the same league as Apple's much more elegant designs. But... you pay your money and get what you pay for...


 Foris
 10/14/2007  at  07:16 PM

MB-switcher : My wife and I have had 5 Apple computers since the mid 80s, and 3 of them died catastropically (2 Powerbooks died, and my iMac just suddenly stopped working - and it would have cost a small fortune to repair). Finally, we gave up and went to Windows, to save money, and in the past 8 years, we have never lost a PC. However, I did recently buy a MacBook Pro and love it.

But if you say that Macs are more reliable, it has not been my experience.


 newfers
 10/14/2007  at  07:24 PM

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